What harm can a little prayer do?
Last updated at 14:53, Tuesday, 14 February 2012
There are times when you’re bound to wonder whether some people might have a tad too little to worry about.
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Dave, it is said that Google is not a synonym for research, and while Bob T seems to appreciate this and has looked deeper into the subject, you have pottered happily at the surface and dug out some half truths. Various state constitutions may well say that any belief is allowed, but in reality there may well be quiet (and possibly illegal?) background checks about any applicant. For instance. in the job I first got here, almost the very first thing I was asked was "which church do you go to?". A very simple question indeed, and how can you make people NOT ask that? And if that question is asked at an interview for a high ranking government post, what does the non christian applicant say?I think that the best way for anyone to understand the situation here is to actually live here - no amount of googling will give the true picture.
From the Arkansas state constitution:
Article 19 Section 1.
"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court"
My,my I do seem to have started something by responding to marra. A second response to him and Bob. T has taken a while as I needed to do some checking.
Firstly the Title VII of the 1964 civil rights act of the United States prohibits any company with more than 15 employees from practicing discrimination. This number was to allow family firms to employ who they want, or so I am advised.
Secondly the First amendment of the united States constitution protects freedom of religious expression in the Federal workplace. Government being considered a work place.
Now let us look at Bob.Tâs list of states where atheists are allegedly not employed;
All I note are typical âred neckâ states where religious persecution could possibly be expected. I went to the trouble of checking the three I considered likely to be the worst and most likely reluctant to employ Atheists; Maryland, Arkansas and Texas. I looked up government employment vacancies and downloaded application forms. Not one form from any of these states asked any questions regarding religion or sexual orientation. Unless someone is stupid enough to bring the subject up in any subsequent interview then there is no way that the employer can know. Anyone who is stupid enough to bring it up does not deserve to be employed.
I then wrote to the ARKANSAS government employment agency and below you can find the reply I received.
No state agency or institution will be allowed to discriminate in hiring, promoting, disciplinary action, or any other way against employees based on their race, creed, religion, national origin, age, sex, or gender.
See the following links:
Discrimination policy -
State polices for personnel management link -
So it would appear that Bob.Tâs list is not quite as accurate and truthful as he would have us believe.
Marra having lost one argument now widens the discussion to bring in other points that have nothing to do with the original question. Not only that he mentions another even longer list but doesnât give it a title or detail any points to back up his arguments against the original points raised, how can I look it up if you donât tell me where to look?. Marra base your arguments on proven facts not innuendoes. I take it from the fact that you had to thank Bob.T for providing the list of States, proven to be wrong, that previous to that you didnât have one yourself?
Now regarding Prayers being on the official agenda of council meetings, please enlighten me; if a councilor comes late to a meeting after prayers have been said, is he not allowed to enter the chamber and take part in debates? I didnât know this and if it is the case it is wrong. If I stayed out of a council chamber while prayers were being said I would not be excluded by others I would be excluding myself, by choice.
I wonder what "the councilor" does when a Christian friend dies and a religious ceremony is held. Does he not attend because prayers are said at the service? If he does attend what does he do when prayers are being said? I attend funerals out of respect to the person I knew, regardless. I have attended Christian, of most denominations, and Buddhist ceremonies, while others pray I bow my head and quietly think of the person I knew. It is so easy to do, I respect these peopleâs beliefs and traditions, I do not see why one councilor cannot do the same.
I donât think Jesus said prayers should be carried out in private, if I remember one thing he said it was, âWhen two or more are gathered in my nameâ, added to which most of his teachings were out in the open were they not.
As for what is taught in British schools, well that is a whole new subject which I will not be drawn in to.