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Drivers on new Carlisle 'bypass' don't know how to use roundabouts - claim

Motorists are getting themselves in a spin over how to handle the roundabouts on Carlisle’s new western 'bypass', it has emerged.

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The roundabout at Asda is marked out so that if travelling from Asda to McDonalds you enter the roundabout in the right hand lane to go straight on (and end up cutting across a lane) - doesnt the 12 oclock rule state you enter in the left lane to go left or straight on and use the right if going past 12?

Posted by alan brown on 5 March 2012 at 11:19

I learned to drive in Carlisle in 93 yet know exactly how to use them. A lot of it is just ignorance or bad habit.
And it is not just a problem in Carlisle. It seems to be all over Cumbria!
Another problem is people in the left lane going straight over, then cutting across lanes to straighten the line they take.
I dont like to stereotype people, but the worst offenders seem to be older drivers and those with big expensive cars.
I'll stand up for the younger drivers too who can use them properly as they have not long passed their tests and still remember how to use roundabouts.
It's not rocket science. It's easy to do properly and it saves you having an accident.

Posted by Simon Moore on 5 March 2012 at 10:44

I have found this infruriating too. It also seems that there is a hidden rule on the new road that if you are going all the way from Peter Lane to the M6 you don't to indicate. It is driving me mad. I am not a mind reader, I don't know where you are going. Argghhh!!!

Posted by carlisledriver on 5 March 2012 at 10:22

I find it hard to believe that people
find roundabouts hard to negotiate.
Take there licenses off them as this is a requirement when you take a driving test.

Posted by chris bray on 5 March 2012 at 10:07

The girls are quite correct, the standard of driving in this areas is very poor. The biggest let down is attitude, and this whole debate is highlighting what people think is acceptable, it isn't.

However, I do wonder why they think there is a need to set up an 'advanced driver network' when there are two already. ROSPA and the IAM both have Carlisle based networks providing excellent advanced driving education.

When I rode the CNDR for the first time I was appalled at the standard of driving, given that I too was relying on road signs to guide me I was nearly taken of my motorcycle twice in the spate of three roundabouts.

I would reckon that 70percent of the drivers in Carlisle couldn't pass the Driver Theory Test, and as many as 90 percent couldn't pass a basic or advanced driving test. It's not just roundabouts they fail on, it's junctions, traffic lights, right turns, road position, speed, mobile phones, smoking, make-up, newspapers, the list is endless.

I've ridden all over the country, and in most cities I feel safe enough on the roads, Carlisle scares me to death with drivers paying no attention to what is going on around them, and having very aggressive attitudes to other road users.

I'd like to see compulsory re-testing every 10 years, when the licence expires. Even if it were only a theory re-site, it would force drivers/riders to at least look at the highway code - they would certainly learn something.

Posted by PaulM on 5 March 2012 at 09:19

Hate Bunny Hoppers - while overtaking is the driver's own responsibility to do it safely if your actions are as they say there are then that is dangerous and criminal. Are you the driver I followed doing 35mph from Carlisle to Whitehaven the other day, who, when I overtook (on a straight bit with a clear road ahead and keeping to the speed limit!) decided to speed up?? I have a small car with not much power to overtake so I have to think about overtaking carefully and safely, so if I had someone speeding up in front of me then it would scare the life out of me! You may just be speeding up when someone is driving badly, if that is the case then that is worse and I am afraid, in my opinion, that makes you a worse driver than the person overtaking

Posted by Maria on 5 March 2012 at 07:05

When my family moved to Carlisle some 20 years ago my Dad commented that people from Carlisle seemed to have trouble with roundabouts (remember the one at the top of James Street!!) it looks as though nothing has changed. Give way to your right people, and use the right hand lane if going off after 12! It's not hard!

Posted by Richard on 5 March 2012 at 05:49

Much talk about the dreaded bunny hoppers - what about the inconsiderate so and so at the front of the line of traffic, I have lost count of the number of times I have been stuck behind a car doing 35 mph on the A595 with possibly loaded vans behind who quite rightly do not overtake as a loaded vehicle takes so much longer to accelerate. Why can the inconsderate person who clearly has all day to go wherever they are going not just pull over in a layby for a few minutes, releaving the frustration of many behind. The next vehicle that should be banned at peak hours is the farmer transporting livestock in a tractor and trailer from West Cumbria to Carlisle, which at best is inconsiderate to other road users, but please correct me someone if I am wrong but travelling 40 miles from the operating base in a tractor towing livestock using red diesel is not agricultural use but transport and therefore falls into the regulations applying to road haulage.

Posted by ph on 4 March 2012 at 22:54

I have had to allow for outside lane morons everytime I have travelled the new road.

Can't the Police sit at the main roundabouts where this happens and fine people for dangerous driving?

Either the message would soon get out there or the amount of £60 fines would pay for the southern bypass!

I've also travelled the new road as a passenger where the driver has stuck to the outside lane and I feel the problem may be some people refuse to accept that they don't know entirely what they're doing but are too proud to slow down, read the signs and think about anything other than how much time they're saving,

Posted by Harvey on 4 March 2012 at 20:53

a round about is a round about and if u cant do one then about time them drivers went and reset their driving test again to many bad drivers in carlisle !!!

Posted by mrs c on 4 March 2012 at 20:30

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