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Tuesday, 29 July 2014

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Closed Carlisle pub facing demolition

A Carlisle pub could be knocked down and houses built in its place.

Carlisle pub photo
The Rose and Crown as it was

An application has been made for the Rose and Crown in Upperby to be demolished.

The once-popular pub, which had its own bowling green, has been cordoned off with metal barriers. Demolition notices have been put up around it.

A spokeswoman for Carlisle City Council said a demolition order had been applied for by the landowners Cumbrian Properties. Cumbrian Properties declined to comment on its plans but it is thought the firm wishes to build houses on the site.

The Rose and Crown was one of several pubs built and designed by Harry Redfern in the late 1920s and early 1930s as part of the Carlisle and District State Management Scheme.

Philip Tuer, the pub’s liaison for the Solway branch of CAMRA, said: “It’s one of the Redfern pubs and it will be a sad loss but unfortunately the last couple of licensees haven’t been able to make it pay.

“If you can’t get the customers through the door no matter how much you spend you are flogging a dead horse.”

He added: “With its bowling green, by knocking it down you triple the size of the land you have available.

“Financially it is worth a lot more that way. It is a difficult time.”

Shaun Brown, the director of Shaun Brown Demolition, confirmed that his company had been asked to carry out the work. He added that he did not know when work would start but expected it to take about three weeks to finish.

Carlisle has a unique place in the history of drinking in Britain for having its pubs under state control for more than 50 years.

It was in Carlisle during World War One that the State Management Scheme was set up as an experiment to curb the excessive drinking habits of munitions workers at HM Factory Gretna, built to make ammunition for the troops in France. The factory brought thousands of workers, many of whom lived in Carlisle. Their heavy drinking, combined with highly dangerous work, sparked concerns at a national level.

This reform led to the closure of a huge number of pubs and inns area but those that survived were refurbished by the State Management Scheme.

Have your say

Kate: the Horse & Farrier is listed which is why it can't be knocked down. As regards the Rose & Crown, it doesn't have a bowling green; there were houses built on it years ago & it's not been badly vandalised as has been claimed, it's been secured with steel shutters since it closed. As it is one of the Redfern pubs it is a unique part of Carlisle's history & should be retained because of that.

Posted by upperby resident on 22 January 2013 at 13:45

I used to work with a guy that drove the Shirehorse drawn dray wagons for Carlisle State Management scheme. The nice smell of beer being made in their Caldewgate brewery. That's decades ago, times have moved on. It may now seem a futile financial 'For Sale' return when years ago they were bought amass from CSMS, with so many inns having now been converted into homes but many have had a well run past mileage out of them by breweries. Breweries are in some degree are now run these days on a international scale and have no any interest in areas that may not reap the passing trade of tourism and locals when they can sell their products at greater impact elsewhere. Cheers to the Rose and Crown. Another Carlisle pub bites the dust.

Posted by Royl on 22 January 2013 at 11:00

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